Going backwards on Concealed Carry Reciprocity?

Under House Bill 650, passed 2 years ago, North Carolina went to Universal Reciprocity.  That means that if you possess a valid Concealed Handgun Permit, or equivalent, from ANY state, you may carry concealed in North Carolina. I was very pleased to see this pass into law.

Now one State Senator is trying to go backwards.

A BILL TO BE ENTITLED

AN ACT to provide that concealed handgun permits obtained by nonresidents of the state issuing the permit are not valid in North Carolina.

The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts:

SECTION 1. G.S. 14‑415.24 reads as rewritten:

“§ 14‑415.24. Reciprocity; out‑of‑state handgun permits.

(a) A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state is valid in North Carolina.Carolina, except as otherwise provided in this section.

(b) Repealed by Session Laws 2011‑268, s. 22(a), effective December 1, 2011.

(c) Every 12 months after the effective date of this subsection, the Department of Justice shall make written inquiry of the concealed handgun permitting authorities in each other state as to: (i) whether a North Carolina resident may carry a concealed handgun in their state based upon having a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit and (ii) whether a North Carolina resident may apply for a concealed handgun permit in that state based upon having a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit. The Department of Justice shall attempt to secure from each state permission for North Carolina residents who hold a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit to carry a concealed handgun in that state, either on the basis of the North Carolina permit or on the basis that the North Carolina permit is sufficient to permit the issuance of a similar license or permit by the other state.

(d) A concealed handgun permit issued by a state to a person who is not a resident of that state shall not be valid in North Carolina. The permit holder’s address, as shown on a current drivers license, or other form of government issued identification that includes a photograph, shall be prima facie evidence of the permit holder’s state of residence.”

SECTION 2. This act is effective when it becomes law and shall apply to all concealed handgun permits issued on or after the effective date. 

A quick reminder, when reading proposed bills, they write out the old law. Then they use strikeouts to show you the words they are deleting and underlines to show you the words they want to add.

This bill is designed to do one thing. It’s designed to ban the use of Non-Resident concealed permits. Let’s say you live in Anti-Gun territory, like New Jersey or Illinois. You can’t get a concealed permit of any kind for love or money. So you apply for and are granted a Florida or Utah permit. This allows you to carry concealed in all the states that accept that permit. Now Senator Bingham wants to take that away.

I would like you to call Stan Bingham (GRNC 4 Star!) and ask him what the heck he thinks he’s doing. We’ve got the best reciprocity in the US. Our CHPs, due to their unreasonably high training standards, are valid in something like 36 other states. We accept ALL other permits. What’s the problem with that?

Please call Stan Bingham at (919) 733-5665 and (336) 859-0999. Tell him to leave our reciprocity alone. Tell him that he got a 4 Star GRNC rating by being a friend to gun owners, not by trying to stab them in the back.

11 Responses to Going backwards on Concealed Carry Reciprocity?

  1. Utah did something KINDA similar last year. If you have FORMAL reciprocity with us, you MUST get a permit from your state before you can get a Utah permit. If you do NOT have formal reciprocity with us (even if it’s just “yeah, we’ll honor yours. We know you already honor ours.” then that requirement of a home permit is not present.

  2. There is another kind of person that this affects… People who have been disqualified from a NC permit but go get a non-resident one from VA or some other place.

    I know of a former cop that had to do this because he was once charged with discharging a firearm at a vehicle in VA. NC considered him prohibited even though VA issued him a VA non-resident permit.

  3. After reading this I emailed to Mr. Bingham and received a response today.

    I wrote:
    Mr. Stan Bingham:

    I am writing to express my displeasure at your attempt to take out the reciprocity section of House Bill 650. Explain to me, a voter, why this is necessary at this particular moment in time. You received a 4 Star GRNC rating by being a friend to gun owners, not by trying to stab them in the back. The voting public is watching you and will not forget if you turn against their rights and freedoms.

    Thank you,

    MrApple

    I received:
    Dear Mr. Apple:

    Senate Bill 17 does not eliminate state reciprocity. This bill requires an applicant to reside in the state from which he/she receives a concealed carry permit. There is a problem with online applicants from other states receiving Virginia concealed carry permits. SB17 corrects this issue.

    Thank you,
    Maria

    Maria A. Kinnaird
    Research Assistant
    Senator Stan Bingham
    2117 Legislative Building
    919-733-5665

    Excuse me if I don’t trust politicians; I’ll do a little more independent reading on this subject myself.

  4. What about the legal resident aliens in NC who are allowed to carry with a non-res permit from another state. Do they not rights to self defense, since they are not citizens?

  5. How far along is this? I am a NC resident carrying with a UT non res permit since NC won’t issue me one since I am not a citizen (“just” a resident legal alien). This would make it illegal for me to carry.

  6. What exactly is the “problem” with people receiving permits from VA?

  7. 2 Juergen G

    It’s even worse than just “illegal to carry”. It makes illegal to simply transport a handgun, for example example from home to range.

    Here is the problem:
    1) If you transport your firearm as NC laws recommend (in plain visibility) and cross 1000 ft border around any school – you commit a federal crime under GSFZA. To avoid this the gun must unloaded and be securely locked (for example in TSA approved box).

    2) If you transport your firearm as GSFZA requires without CCW – you commit a NC crime even if gun is unloaded – it will be recognized concealed.

  8. It seems to me that, resident or not, if the person passes the background check of any state that has a reciprocity agreement with NC then they should have their CCW Permits recognized by the state of NC. Plain and simple. I don’t understand the logic of not recognizing these permits. Are these people criminals trying to get a permit that they should not have if so then why are they getting the permits to begin with? Yes, I understand that different states have different rules and restrictions for the CCW Permit but it still seems to me that if you pass the process in one state then the permit should be honored in all states with a reciprocity agreement.

  9. Bubblehead Les

    Hmmm. Something tells me that since this involves more than one State, one could argue that this Violates the “Full Faith and Credit” part of the U.S. Constitution, Article Five, Sections 1 and 2. Combine this with the Supremacy Clause, one could argue in the State House that his Bill would be declared Unconstitutional. Something that someone in your State Government might want to consider.

  10. I hope this bill dies. This is bullshit. Just like MrApple said, criminals are not applying and paying for permits. NC needs to keep the law the way it is. I am working on getting my non-resident AZ permit and if it doesn’t work in NC (where I work) then I will have a delima.

  11. I emailed Stan Bingham and told him what I thought about changing reciprocity laws. If North Carolina passes this I’m afraid that other states are going to pull their reciprocity agreements with NC. It’s a law abiding citizens right to carry a firearm and state law makers should work with them, not against them.