Does MagPul want to be on the Naughty list? (Updated: Naughty List is gone)

UPDATE 3-1-13: MagPul joins the New York Boycott!

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This is a tough one. MagPul is resisting, yet they are also doing as much as they can to fight the mag bans.

I got an email today pointing to this post on ARF.com dated 2-21-13

Have they and do they continue to sell and allow their distributors to sell to LEOs and departments in ban states? Yes or no. It’s simple really.

The answer is yes, our Distributors are allowed to sell to LEOs in ban states. Our founder has also said regarding LEO restrictions, “We have not considered such a move as we are not convinced that this tactic will have any effect on those in power (they will just buy Israeli or some other generic parts). It also adversely punishes street cops, local sheriffs and individual military members for the actions of those in power. The last thing we want to do is hurt those who support our cause.”

So, we see that we can support Law Enforcement and Military members while standing up for our convictions and will continue to do everything in our power to protect our inherent rights.

JUSTIN BEARD

Sales and Service Manager

Magpul Industries Corp.

1-877-4MAGPUL

That should earn them a spot on the Naughty list. Yet they turn around and do stuff like this

We are proud to announce that within a matter of days we will be going live with a new program. Due to a bill currently moving through the Colorado legislature, there is the possibility that Colorado residents’ ability to purchase standard capacity magazines will soon be infringed. Before that happens, and Magpul is forced to leave the state in order to keep to our principles, we will be doing our best to get standard capacity PMAGs into the hands of any Colorado resident that wants them.

Verified Colorado residents will be able to purchase up to ten (10) standard capacity AR/M4 magazines directly from Magpul, and will be given immediate flat-rate $5 shipping, bypassing our current order queue.

Our customers outside of Colorado, please know that our PMAG production will continue at an ever-increasing rate until we do relocate, shipments to our distributors in other states will continue, and that we do not expect relocation to significantly impact PMAG production. We are also aware that Colorado is not the only state with existing or pending magazine capacity restrictions; we are working on programs for other affected states as well.

Full details and instructions will be announced when we are able to go live; please watch here for the coming announcement.

There are three issues here. First, I’m not sure MagPul is allowed to tell their distributors not to sell to LEOs in all ban states. I think there are some limits to what a manufacturer can require from a distributor. Secondly, I’m pretty sure that no matter what the anti-trust laws, MagPul would be within their rights to insist that their distributors follow the law. Since the NY SAFE Act does not have a police loophole, it is illegal to sell magazines larger than 7 rounds to anyone, even the police. Thirdly, it isn’t “punishing” the police. It is merely insisting that the police follow the same laws as everyone else.

I’m pretty close to sticking MagPul on the Naughty list. I think it’s time for you guys to bury them with email explaining your position.

MagPul – [email protected] 1-877-462-4785

Tell them you expect them to

  1. Follow the law. It’s illegal to sell magazines greater than 7 rounds to ANYONE in NY.
  2. Support the rights of all citizens. No one in America is a second class citizen. No one in America gets special rights simply because they take a government paycheck.
  3. Reach out to their LEO/Gov’t contacts in ban states and assure them that we aren’t out to “punish” the police. We just want to police to follow the same rules as everyone else. If and AR-15 and a 30 round PMag is a “weapon of war that has no place on our streets,” then the police shouldn’t have them either. The police aren’t “at war” with anyone. If it’s a useful tool for defense of self and others, then the police should want law abiding citizens to have them as well.

If they are confused about why we want this, tell them to discuss it with me. Please send me anything you get about MagPul at [email protected]

MagPul, you are “On the Bubble” on my New York Boycott list.

UPDATE: The Naughty List is GONE.

Thanks for the feedback, guys. The most clarifying thing I read was from The Minuteman, and it has made my decision for me. The decision is that I have deleted the Naughty List and have decided to turn the New York Boycott into an entirely positive list. Treat the list as a shopping list full of companies who support you to the fullest. Please continue to call and email MagPul asking them to join us. But I’m done putting people on a list of “traitors.” When the time comes for us to join forces and go after REAL traitors, I’ll be there. That time is not today.

10 responses to “Does MagPul want to be on the Naughty list? (Updated: Naughty List is gone)

  1. It would impress me more if they were willing to sell “10/20″ fixed magazines to Californians…

  2. I have a tremendous respect for Magpul, their people and their products. If Colorado passes those ridiculous weapon and accessory bans and they leave for a better state, my respect for them will quadruple.

    But you are correct in that they don’t seem to understand that by boycotting those rogue states and local agencies that treat citizens like subjects, they’re not “punishing” the police, but rather helping to persuade their elected officials to rethink their foolishness.

    If citizens don’t “need” them, then the police obviously don’t need them as well. This will not put the police at any extra risk.

  3. put them as on the fence….

  4. I say throw them on the naughty list, one of the errors we gun owners make every time is compromise, we do it with gun legislation we shouldn’t be doing it here. We must draw the line in the sand

  5. My full commentary can be seen here.

    Quick synopsis, this isn’t black and white and there’s a lot of stuff going on beyond just the SAFE act. Placing them on the negative list, which would basically call for gun owners to boycott them as unfriendly, are they really unfriendly though? Look at what’s going on in Colorado. No their priorities are centered around that fight, not NY.

    If you want to hang MagPul, you need to immediately hang Ruger and Remington for not leaving NY. MagPul is planning on leaving Colorado and some of you want to color them the enemy.

    The big item is not everything is black and white and you can’t run the negative list like a zero tolerance policy at a school. It destroys it’s value as well as the value we have as both customers and economic impact for good.

    If the only choice a company has is to go out of business, either by getting run over by us for trying to survive, or sacrifice everything trying to support us. Why not just cut losses and leave the game overall?

  6. Bastards. To hell with ‘em.

  7. It also adversely punishes street cops, local sheriffs and individual military members for the actions of those in power.

    The street cops in NY are a member of a union that has CONSIDERABLE political influence on the party that is pushing these restrictions. It isn’t much of a stretch to say that the street cops in NY are enabling these sorts of laws by continuing to support those politicians.

    If the unions representing those street cops were to pull ALL support for the political party pushing these laws, then they might have a valid point. Until then, they don’t. Right this moment, the street cops aren’t innocent bystanders in this.

  8. Proof that you aren’t thinking with the correct brain:

    “I’m pretty close to sticking MagPul on the Naughty list.”

    Because they won’t force their distributors to the same standards that they themselves talk about and ARE doing? LOL

    That’s called hypocrisy. If you espouse freedoms, liberty, and protecting the 2nd Amendment, then go run off to tell your distributors how to run their businesses, you are no better than the idiots in Colorado supporting capacity bans.

  9. UPDATED. Decision made. Thanks for clarifying things for me Barron. I’ve decided to delete the “Naughty” list and focus on making a list of the people who support us to the fullest instead of condemning people for only supporting us “mostly.”

  10. Post updated. MagPul joins boycott