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NCGV, Lies, Half-Truths, and the Anti-Gunner Way

You know, the gun grabbers are almost a bad parody of “The Chicago Way” in the Untouchables. We pull out facts, they lie harder. We point out problems with their argument; they change the subject and scream louder.

The latest hobby horse that North Carolinians against Gun Violence Ownership are trying to ride to relevance is the “Child Access Prevention” bandwagon. You see, it’s not that people do bad things, it’s that people don’t “properly secure” their firearms! Here’s their latest Tweet, the first in 8 days and only the 6th this month


NCGV breaks their radio silence to try to dance in the blood of a child shot in a school in Washington (AC*) when an 8 year old brought a gun from home and negligently discharged it from inside his book bag.


Wow, that puts a really different spin on things, doesn’t it? We have a drugged up convict mother in possession of what the child says is the father’s gun. The mother wasn’t “irresponsible,” she was a criminal! The father has what appear to be domestic violence protective orders against him. Are both of them prohibited persons? Are either of them legally allowed to own a gun?

Here’s the problem. If you have people who are barred by law from possession of a firearm, pissing and moaning that they didn’t “properly secure” that firearm is focusing on ants when elephants are stomping you to death. They also ignore that the child seems to be saying that it’s ok to bring a gun to school to solve a personal issue. Looking at his parent’s criminal records, I wonder where he learned that? They think that “One More Law™” will fix an already wildly dysfunctional family.

This goes to show you that the gun grabbers don’t care how they have to lie, cheat, and steal in order to violate your Second Amendment rights. They will do and say anything, and avoid, cover up, or just flat ignore reality to get what they want.

You start to wonder, though, if they even bother to read the whole story before they comment. They are always handing us the rope we use to hang them.

*AC = Above California, as opposed to DC, District of Columbia

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“Gun Homicide” documentarian responds

There’s two key pieces of data that you haven’t told us. What was the prior criminal record status of the victims and killers?

I’ve done the research on the 2010 Raleigh murders and it was very enlightening.

Her answer
Sean, [Scroll down, you can't link to individual comments, ed]
Thanks for your feedback and for sharing your article. Prior criminal record was not part of the records analyzed for this particular article about homicide in Durham.
Leanora
I’ve responded
That seems odd. It’s hard to discuss criminal violence without discussing the criminal element of the violence. Ignoring the fact that on average more than half of the victims and about 2/3rds of the killers are previously convicted criminals might mislead the unsuspecting reader away from the perfectly obvious conclusion that murder is an ordinary hazard of engaging in the criminal drug trade.
Homicide is not evenly distributed among the population. The average person, not engaged in crime and not intimately associated with criminals, relatively unlikely to be killed or injured in criminal violence. When people ignore the fact that homicide is generally confined to the criminal classes they start making unwarranted conclusions. They start to blame the weapon used instead of the hand that wielded that weapon. Failure to honestly discuss all the factors involved in a problem leads to promotion of ineffective our counterproductive “solutions” being offered for that problem.
I believe that if you check, you will find that the numbers from Durham will mirror the numbers from Raleigh. You will find that most of the murders, even a disturbing percentage of the ones labeled as “domestic,” are committed by and committed against previously convicted criminals.
We’ve always known what drives criminal violence. It isn’t the weapon, but the motives. The majority of killings in our society revolve around the use and distribution of illegal drugs. Because drug dealers can’t resolve their problems in court like a legal business would, violence is used to settle disagreements. Like any other arena where violence is the solution of choice, those quickest to use violence and the most ruthless in application of that violence will win. Failure to confront this obvious reality leads to bad policy choices on our part.
If you want to reduce all violence, gun violence included, you need to deal with the root causes. Drug prohibition is no different than the more famous alcohol Prohibition. Al Capone and his rivals killed each other in carload lots, but since Prohibition was lifted you don’t see Jim Beam and Jack Daniels shooting it out on city streets, do you? If Jim Beam and Jack Daniels have a dispute, they can sue each other. It’s messy and expensive, but people don’t end up dead in the streets. That avenue of dispute resolution is not open to drug dealers.
The drug trade is the root cause of the majority of the violence we see in society. The war on guns is merely a proxy war in the war on drugs. Rather than confront the reality of violence or the reality of this country’s failed drug control policy, people want to blame the guns. This is because it is easier to blame guns and pass laws against people like me who will follow them than it is to deal with the root causes. My suggestion is that you focus on the causes, rather than the symptoms. Instead of killing an alligator, you should drain the swamp.
I’ll keep you posted as to her reply. I am not hopeful, however. She’s a working on a documentary about “gun violence.”
Usually when they get far enough into it that they are making documentaries, they aren’t reachable.

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Gunz R BAD in Durham!!!

Gunz R BAD in Durham!!!
Via the ever helpful folks at NCGV (snort) I found this blog post by Leanora Minai where she explains that 81% of all homicide in Durham was carried out with a gun.
She never comes out and says what she thinks can be done about “Gun Violence™,” but I think you can guess.
I’ve left her a comment asking her for the most important data, the data she left out. What percentage of the victims and killers were prior criminals?
My guess is that, much like others fixated on “Gun Deaths,” she doesn’t care about the criminals as much as she cares about the guns.

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Now this is more like it!

The News and Observer nails NCGV’s hide to the wall in this story. When I interviewed with this reporter last night he said that they were doing their best to hide from the fact that they were in effect a gun ban organization. It looks like he didn’t let them off the hook. Unlike the NBC17 story, the N&O story title tells you right away who the organizers were
And just look at the photo. Don’t they all just look like latter day Carrie Nations, all dour, fun-killing, angry scolds?
I want to copy past the whole article, but here’s a sample. Definitely read the whole thing and leave some comments for Andy Curliss the author.
Here’s where it is interesting. The author went and talked with Representative Mark Hilton and Senator Andrew Brock, both gun rights stalwarts in the NCGA, and he talked to them before the vigil. This tells me that the author was not fooled at all by the organizers claims of it being just a vigil for victims. The fact that he came right out and called them a gun control group tells me that he understands them very well indeed.
The best news I heard all night was the author, during the phone interview with me, telling me that NCGV has said that they have basically given up hopes of winning in the NC General Assembly. They know that they have lost and their only hope now is trying to “change the culture.” Sorry NCGV, we’ve changed the culture around you and you are too late. Your efforts are 40 years too late.

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I made the Eleven o’clock news (*Video*)

Here’s the video from the 11 o’clock news on NBC17. It appears to be the entire 11 PM newscast rather than the short bits broken up for each individual story. This will allow you to see how they set the story up.  The local vigil starts around the 2:15 mark.

Sadly none of my press release info made it into the story. Honestly I’m glad they used the quote that they had. They even managed to spell my name incorrectly in the print version of the story.
She was trying to get me to answer the “do you support ANY gun control at all?” Nice try, but no dice. I’ve been listening to David Codrea for too long to fall for that question. Control the criminals, and guns will cease to be an issue. Fail to control the criminals and murder will happen no matter what you ban.
Here’s what my press release said:
Brady Campaign focuses on the wrong victims
Today, in a strange attempt to honor the victims of “gun” violence, the Brady Campaign and local anti-gun groups are asking us to light a candle to remember those victims. Once again, the gun grabbers focus on the wrong victims. The Brady Campaign points to a few sympathetic victims of crime while whitewashing the backgrounds of the majority of those murdered in North Carolina. Research has shown again and again that the majority of murderers and the majority of those killed are criminals engaged in the ordinary course of their illegal trade.
Here in Raleigh in 2010, the last year in which we have reasonably complete data, there were 14 murders and non-negligent homicides. Only one of those killings is still considered unsolved with no suspect in custody or prison. Of those 14 victims, 6 had no apparent prior criminal convictions and 8 were convicted criminals. In the 13 killings that are considered solved, with a suspect either in custody or convicted, 4 were committed by a suspect or suspects that appear to have no prior convictions. The other 9 suspected or convicted of these killings were previously convicted criminals. This means that more than half of all homicide victims in Raleigh in 2010 were known criminals, and almost three fourths of all suspected killers were as well.
For some reason, the Brady Campaign and their associated anti-rights organizations focus only on “gun” deaths, as if it was somehow better to be stabbed or beaten to death. If we, as they insist, focus solely on those killed with a gun, the picture doesn’t look any better. In 2010 there were 9 homicides committed with a firearm. Of those, only 2 were people who had no apparent criminal convictions. As for the killers, 8 of the killings are considered solved, and 5 of those suspected or convicted of these crimes are previously convicted felons.
Bear in mind that these are convictions we are talking about. FOAC-NC has not had the time to research the arrest records of either suspects or victims. It is certainly possible that some of the victims, and certainly some of the suspects would have previous arrests.
FOAC-NC believes that the solution to crime is criminal control, not gun control. In 5 of the 8 firearm related homicides in Raleigh in 2010, the suspect was barred by federal law from merely possessing a firearm. As Chairman of FOAC-NC Sean Sorrentino put it “How many more laws do they want? The laws against felons having guns failed. The laws against shooting those guns at people failed. The laws against killing people failed. What sort of laws do they imagine will work against people for whom every other law failed?”
In most of the homicides in Raleigh in 2010, known criminals were involved. In fact, only 3 of the 14 homicides occurred between a victim and a suspect where neither had a prior criminal conviction. One would think that the solution would be obvious. One would think that imposing stiff sentences on criminals would have the effect of isolating them away from the rest of society. It’s hard to cause trouble in society when you are locked behind bars far away from it. Instead, the gun banners wish to impose ever stricter laws on the law abiding gun owners. They want stricter background checks. They want further restrictions of the rights of Concealed Handgun Permit holders. They even want to go back to the old Jim Crow era of only issuing Concealed Handgun Permits to people that the Sheriff thinks “suitable.” We all know what “suitable” used to mean. Why would we imagine that it would be different now?
The Brady Campaign and their paid activist allies here in North Carolina are once again focusing on the wrong victims. The real victims in this revolving door justice system are the law abiding citizens caught in the crossfire. We are left to fend for ourselves in a world where the rights of convicted criminals count for more than the rights of the honest citizens. We are subject to further attacks against our right to keep and bear arms by those who use the blood of those homicide victims, all the while glossing over the fact that the majority of them were actively involved in criminal activities.
The fact that the Brady Campaign would use the blood of criminals to attack honest gun owners is reprehensible and should be rejected by all decent people.
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Finally a balanced “Guns in Parks” story

This issue is pretty simple, so you wouldn’t think it would be all that difficult for a reporter to get them straight. Finally, a journalist gets it right.

I have an issue with them allowing this statement of the Executive Director of North Carolinians against Gun Violence (NCGV) to stand unchallenged

 
It should be an interesting fight. We could, however, short circuit the whole thing. Let’s just pass a law that says localities may not ban firearms anywhere. That would be much a much shorter, easier to interpret law.

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Public Service News lies for NCGV

I don’t normally go in for full fleged Fisking, but I have to make an exception for this article at Public News Service (News in the Public Interest)
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. – Guns are now permitted by law at North Carolina parks, playgrounds and other public places, unless cities pass their own, more restrictive laws, and at least 19 municipalities have chosen to do so. The new state law that went into effect December 1 allows people with proper permits to carry certain types of concealed weapons at public parks and highway rest stops, and on waterways.
This is, in the strictest sense, true. It is an example of framing the issue to make yourself look like the underdog. If they pretend that the heroic forces of progressive modernity are laboring against the clock to prevent guns in parks, they might get you to forget that they are working tirelessly to deprive you of your Constitutional rights. Also it was always legal to carry a concealed handgun with a permit at highway rest stops. They merely changed what section of the law it was listed under.
Even those cities that already had stricter gun laws must now pass new ordinances if they want to circumvent the new state law.
Once can hardly call it “circumventing” the law if these localities are writing the law to comply with the powers delegated to them by the State. Again, it’s framing the issue to make oneself look like the underdog.
Winston-Salem did just that, in November. Tim Grant heads up the Recreation and Parks Department there, and he says city lawmakers took quick action.

“Any time you have athletic activities or competition, where you could possibly have emotions, I think it’s a bad mixture when you allow concealed weapons.”

Does Tim Grant have any evidence that NC Concealed Handgun Permit holders have engaged in a pattern of emotional and dangerous behavior? Or does this scenario of CHP holders shooting the Ref over a bad call exist only in his head? I think we both know the answer.
Grant also points out the additional cost to local governments for purchasing signs for their parks to notify people of their ordinance. He says Winston-Salem has paid $8,000 for its new signage. Chapel Hill, Cary and Raleigh have all passed similar laws.
So in this era of extremely tight budgets, Winston-Salem spent $8,000 to put up signs that will not stop any crimes rather than do something useful? Why doesn’t that surprise me?

Roxane Kolar, executive director of North Carolinians Against Gun Violence, questions the change in state law, and also has concerns about who is obtaining these gun permits.

“Why? There actually isn’t a huge crime spree happening in our area parks or playgrounds. We think that before we’re even going to discuss guns in more public areas, we need to look at our permitting system.”

So, there’s no crime spree in NC Parks, so she says that you and I should not be permitted to carry there? Tell that to the lady who almost got her child snatched in a Charlotte area park.
The new state law also weakens the permitting system, according to Kolar. It reduces a sheriff’s department’s ability to use mental health records when reviewing permit applications,
This is a bald faced lie. The section of the law says that the mental health records that the Sheriff receives may only be used to determine the person’s fitness for a CHP and cannot be retained or used in any other manner. No one who had actually read HB650 could come to any other honest conclusion. That tells me that Roxane is lying directly.
and also gives a department only half as much time to review the applications: 45 days, down from 90 days.

Because we all know that the Sheriff actually needs that extra 45 days to… to do what, exactly? I applied for a CHP on 4 March 2011. I received it on 18 May 2011. It was issued on 22 April 2011. So apparently, it sat in the Sheriff’s office for damn near a month before they mailed it out. It takes very little time for a CHP background check to be completed. All they have to do is do a NICS query, look in the State Police database, and send your name to the same mental hospitals they send everyone else’s name to. If the Sheriff hasn’t set up an email or fax method of sending out the names to the mental wards in a batch every day then he needs better permit clerks. Even considering human laziness, it should take no more than a week to get an answer from the loony bins. 45 days is more than generous. 90 days is excessive.
Supporters of the law say people have the right to carry a properly-permitted weapon, but Kolar fears some cities aren’t aware of how the new state law affects their current ordinances.
She doesn’t fear, she knows damn well that most localities haven’t paid attention. She knows that any localities that don’t jump on this right now are likely to decide that since nothing has happened, nothing will happen. Roxane Kolar needs to make sure that every locality in the State gets a good old fashioned dose of fear to make them jump in the direction she wants. She knows that if they don’t react now, out of blind panic, they will learn what everyone else has learned. CHP holders aren’t the threat. Except to the professional “Progressive” Left.
Stephanie Carroll Carson, Public News Service – NC
Here’s a little blurb from the “About Us” page of the “Public News Service”
They are all one big group. The Left is not a group of individuals working toward a common goal. They are a closed group of professionals, each working their own part of the whole, supporting all the other parts. You don’t think that Roxane gets paid $40,000 a year as Executive Director of NCGV because there are that many private citizens giving her donations, do you?

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It’s come to this

Roxane Kolar is the Executive Director of North Carolinians against Gun Violence (NCGV). NCGV was unsuccessful in lobbying against HB650 to the point that they actually decided not to oppose it. Think about that for a second, the State level anti-gun organization lost so badly that they ultimately decided to “Focus on other bills.”
Now that HB650 is in effect, she’s and her ineffective organization are trying to look successful by pointing to the cities and towns that have followed the law and banned guns on playgrounds. How sad is that? Their version of victory is that most localities have retained gun bans on every place that they were legally allowed to retain them. I wonder what they think of places like Wake Forest and Gaston County who have not banned guns on playgrounds.
So how far has NCGV fallen? Listen to this interview. (10 minutes) Roxane is reduced to giving interviews to the extreme leftist NC Policy Watch, because no one else will give her the time of day. The guy who is “interviewing” her is the douche who wrote the Op-Ed in the Southern Pines newspaper I mocked earlier. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

We could point and laugh, but remember that Roxane is getting paid over $40,000 a year to fail this badly. When’s the last time any of us got paid? My guess is that if the other side didn’t get paid, they wouldn’t have anyone at all.
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NCGV (still grasping for relevance) puts in a hard weeks work

Have you ever wondered why we seem to be running the tables on the gun grabbers? Ohio gets restaurant carry, Wisconsin got Shall Issue Concealed Carry AND Castle Doctrine, we in NC got Castle, plus a bunch of other things in HB650. And where were the gun grabbers? You would think that coupling their free Joyce Foundation money plus their claimed widespread agreement on polls would lead to them just cleaning up at the various State capitols. Here’s why 

These three Tweets are the sum total of the output of North Carolinians against Gun Violence (NCGV), basically the only anti-gun group in North Carolina, for about a week. Look at the dates and times. They were posted within a few minutes of each other and are carbon copies of each other with different links.
NCGV has hit their twitter feed 5 times this month, three of them between 1PM and 1:15PM today. This isn’t a group that has resources, staffing, or expertise in getting their message out. They are withering on the vine. They are becoming the perfect representation of what Brian Anse Patrick called them,
Rise of the Anti-Media: In-forming America’s Concealed Weapon Carry Movement
As proof of that, you need only look as far as their 2009 Form 990EZ (PDF Warning). They started the year with cash on hand of $83,643.05, received $113,361.31 and spent $144,799.52 leaving them with cash on hand at the end of the year of $52,204.84. Their two biggest expenses are the salaries of their Executive Director, Roxane Kolar ($40,499.96) and their Assistant Director, Gail Neely ($33,759.92). Both claim a full 40 hour work week. I am having a bit of trouble reading the chicken scratch handwriting on the Page 12 worksheet, but they appear to have paid $950 on “Accounting and Tax Prep.” You’d think that for that much money they could get someone to type their tax forms up neatly instead of handing them to a 10 year old to hand write.
For those who wish to look at all the forms from previous years, click here for the list.
We have the gun grabbers on the run. They can’t come up with the money. They can’t come up with the man power, and they can’t come up with the votes. Now is the time to crush them.

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NCGV caught ignoring the actual data

Wildekarrde continues his analysis if the CDC data on suicide. We’ve already seen his data showing that suicide in general is fairly uncommon for teens. It’s much more common in adult men, especially as they get older. His latest shows that firearm suicide is less common in teens than in the general public.
Suicide by firearm is less common than suicide by suffocation (hanging) in the 0-19 age group. When looking at all age categories, suicide by firearms comprises 54% of all suicides. So despite the fact that 54% of all North Carolina suicides are by firearm, only 36% of “teen” suicide are by firearm. 46% are by suffocation.
One assumes that North Carolinians against Gun Violence will also be calling for parents to lock up their ropes, belts, bed sheets, electric cords, and neckties since suicide by hanging represents a larger percentage of suicides than by firearms.
Oh, who am I kidding? NCGV isn’t actually interested in suicide or in teens. They are just looking for another annoying way to limit our firearm rights.

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