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How murderous is the USA anyway? or Piers Morgan really is racist!

Miguel points out that the USA is listed 108th in intentional homicide rate. He points out that for Piers Morgan to say

“And you have by far the worst rate of gun murder and gun crime of any of the civilized countries in this world.”

It’s both disingenuous AND racist. Let’s look at the Wiki page “List of Countries by Intentional Homicide Rate.” Taking that data, organizing it and turning it into a bar graph we get this.

Murder Rate Overall

See that little red circle? That’s “murderous” USA compared to everyone else. We barely beat out Turkmenistan for 108th place.

That graph is hard to see, so here’s all the graphs.

Countries with homicide rates 20 or above per 100K

 Murder Rate above 20

Countries with homicide rates 10 to <20 per 100K

Murder Rate 10 to 20

Countries with homicide rates 5 to <10 per 100K

Murder Rate 5 to 10

Countries with homicide rates 2 to <5 per 100K

Murder Rate 2 to 5

Countries with homicide rates 1 to <2 per 100K

Murder Rate 1 to 2

Countries with homicide rates <1 per 100K

Murder Rate 0 to 1

I’ve helpfully colored in the USA at 4.2 murders per 100K. You should also bear in mind that our rate of 4.2 is not just murder, but murder and non-negligent homicide. It’s an entirely different discussion when we start comparing how different countries report their data. (TL/DR version: Japan lies as a matter of police procedure)

Piers Morgan is being disingenuous when he points solely to “gun murder” and “gun crime.” We as Americans don’t care if a murder is committed with a gun or a knife, or with “personal weapons.” Dead is dead. I’ll be happy to accept 4.2 per 100K rather than worse in 107 other countries.

Piers Morgan is also a racist when he says that any country with worse murder rates is not civilized. Like Miguel says, perhaps Piers longs for the days of British Imperialism, where Englishmen went abroad to force other “uncivilized” nations to be more like (Formerly Great) Britain.

Let’s take Piers Morgan EXACTLY at his word. He only wants to talk about GUN murder. Here’s a graph of the Wiki data from “List of Countries by Firearm Death Rates.” I’ve organized it by firearm homicide rate, highest to lowest.

Murder Rate Guns

For those of you who can’t read tiny print, let me make a list of all the “Uncivilized” countries that Piers Morgan dismisses.

  1. El Salvador
  2.  Jamaica
  3.  Honduras
  4.  Guatemala
  5.  Swaziland
  6.  Colombia
  7.  Brazil
  8.  Panama
  9.  Mexico
  10.  Philippines
  11.  Paraguay
  12.  Nicaragua
  13.  Zimbabwe
  14.  Costa Rica
  15.  Uruguay
  16.  Argentina
  17.  Barbados
  18.  United States

Hell, some of those places are so civilized that rich white folks go there on vacation.

Near as I can tell, the majority of these countries they are modern representative democracies.There are a few hell holes on the list, but taken as a whole, the only difference between most of these countries and the USA is the fact that the USA is majority white. So when he says we have the worst “Gun Murder” and worst “Gun Crime” rates of any “Civilized” nation, what he’s really saying is that we’re the worst in that category for “white” nations. He sees civilization strictly in terms of race. If that’s not racist, I don’t know what is.

I dare Piers Morgan to go to each of these countries embassies and tell them that he thinks that they are “uncivilized.” If he’d film it, his network would be able to make Super Bowl level advertising rates on his program. Everyone would tune in to watch an annoying racist prick get his ass kicked.

Murder By Numbers: England and Wales

Back about two years ago I wrote about murderers and their relationship to their victim. The discussion was about the common refrain heard from anti-gunners “the killer was known to the victim.” Anti-gunners like to pretend that by saying that killers and victims usually know each other that this somehow translates into “people kill their family members.”

This is total hogwash, but there is a reason that the anti-gunners try this. They know that, on average, women are more likely to be anti-gun than men. They hope that by lying by omission that they can convince women that they are in terrible danger by living with a man who owns a gun.

On Twitter today someone tried to trot that old story out. The difference is that he lives in the UK, so I didn’t have the data for him. Luckily the Home Office happens to post that data for England and Wales.(PDF. If you prefer Excel spreadsheets of the data, try this) I haven’t looked for Scotland, but I’m sure it exists. Let’s look at some numbers.

This is a handy chart of the relationship of homicide victims age 16 and up in England and Wales in the 2009/2010 data series. This is one year, not two years, apparently the Home Office doesn’t use January 1 as the start date for crime data. The above chart is based upon this data.

So here we can see the underlying data. You can see that the data on Under 16 (U16) is pretty clear. By a three to one margin, children under 16 are killed by family/friends, mostly by parents. I felt that the U16 numbers skew our data, so I factored them out. We aren’t interested (at least in this discussion) in child abuse. We are talking about murder and homicide among adults.

What we see is that while family/partner homicide is almost 29% of the total, those numbers are smaller than BOTH non-family acquaintance homicide and stranger killings. Even in England and Wales, you’re more likely to be killed by someone you know than you are to be killed by someone you know well enough to be sleeping with.

One caution. The England and Wales data, unlike the US data, lumps “unknown relationship” in with “Stranger.” I think this makes sense as if you can’t determine a relationship, then they are strangers, but the FBI disagrees. Keep this in mind if you wish to compare data across countries. 

If you want more England and Wales crime data, you can look for it here.

FBI Uniform Crime Reports are here.

9-11 and Anti-Muslim Bias

Before we get flooded with navel gazing posts blaming America for our evil tendency to treat Muslims like crap after the attacks on 9-11, let’s explore some facts. All statistics are available at the FBI Uniform Crime Reports website.

Hate crimes in general are quite rare in the US. There are over 300 million people in the US, and in the last 14 the total number of hate crimes has never exceeded 10,000. Of those, hate crimes motivated by the religion of the victim have never exceeded 20% of the total for the year.

Here’s a graph of total hate crimes vs. religiously motivated hate crimes.

Religiously motivated hate crimes compared to total hate crimes

You can see that as hate crimes go, religiously motivated hate crimes are not a large percentage of the total.

This is meaningless if all the religious hate crimes in the US are against Muslims, so let’s look at two main religious groups who suffer hate crimes.

There was that one spike in reported anti-Muslim hate crimes in 2001, but even then, the level has never even approached the levels of anti-Jewish hate crimes.

There are very few “Hate Crimes” in the US. Of that very small number, less than 20% are religiously motivated. Of that even tinier percentage, anti-Jewish hate crimes dominate the statistics. That tells me that, media hysteria aside, there is no reason to attack Americans as being generally hostile to Muslims.