Was the LAPD even within its jurisdiction? *UPDATED* Not LAPD

UPDATE: 2-16-13

The press conference by the San Bernadino Sheriff’s Office indicates that the police on scene were San Bernadino Count Sheriff personnel, not LAPD


 The weapons they displayed are not burned, and are not consistent with having been through a fire. They keep talking about a “pyrotechnic chemical agent,” but if those weapons displayed were the actual weapons from the cabin, there was no actual fire.

The original post will remain up. I don’t send mistakes down the memory hole.

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I have a question about the recent killing of the ex-LAPD fugitive in Big Bear, California. (Like all criminal suspects, his name will not be repeated on this blog)

Big Bear Lake is a city in San Bernardino County, California, United States along the south shore of Big Bear Lake and surrounded by the San Bernardino National Forest. It is located 25 miles (40 km) northeast of the city of San Bernardino,

The LAPD is the city police force for the City of Los Angeles. Los Angeles, not surprisingly, is located in Los Angeles County. The two counties touch, but they are emphatically not the same.

In California, a city police officer has jurisdiction only within the city. Outside his jurisdiction he has the same rights and powers as an ordinary citizen, unless the Sheriff gives consent. The only special thing about being a city police officer outside your jurisdiction is that you can still carry a gun. The only thing that would have permitted the LAPD to operate in San Bernadino County is if the SB Sheriff-Coroner gave them permission.

How is it that the LAPD was apparently the lead agency in an attack on a cabin outside of Los Angeles City, in another County? Why wasn’t the San Bernadino Sheriff’s Department in charge of that scene? The SBSD has been contracted to provide law enforcement to the city of Big Bear Lake since 1981.

This is wholly aside from the question of why the LAPD burned down a house around a fugitive rather than surround him and wait for his surrender. That strikes me as murder, plain and simple. I just want to know if the murderers were also outside of their jurisdiction. If the San Bernadino Sheriff-Coroner gave permission for the LAPD to act like they did, then he’s just as guilty.

12 responses to “Was the LAPD even within its jurisdiction? *UPDATED* Not LAPD

  1. Do you wander off the reservation often?

  2. San Bernardino County headed up the raid. LAPD was reportedly imbedded with them. Though those reports seem to have gone down the memory hole.

  3. Umm incorrect, even though LAPD, all California Police Officers regardless of employers are covered under 830.1 PC, their peace officer powers are statewide.

  4. Ricochet Rabbit

    LAPD SWAT was not on the scene. The suspect shot himself in the head.

  5. And then he set himself on fire.

  6. ” The suspect shot himself in the head. ”

    Eight times.

  7. San Bernardino and LA have some sort of Joint Aide agreement and at one point a bunch of LA officers were waiting at the airport for the Sheriff
    to approve their entry into the mix.

  8. I like your blog, but you have NO FUCKING IDEA what you’re talking about in re: this situation.

    1) The LAPD was not involved AT ALL with the attempted apprehension of Dorner on that day. They were in the area (after being alerted of what was happening), but they weren’t involved. The San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department was the agency that handled it (along with a couple of other local agencies).

    2) Peace Officers in California have full Peace Officer powers state-wide. That means ANYWHERE in the state of California.

    So basically, what I’m saying is, your entire post is factually wrong.

  9. the bronze you say his entire post is factually wrong. You mean besides the fact that rather than surround him and wait him out they made the decision to go in strong and burn the place down….right sounds like sound police tactics to me and not egos.

  10. Here’s the problem. The news media is too stupid to know the difference between LAPD and LA County Sheriff’s Department during normal times, much less at a time like this. It is entirely possible that even though the media reported LAPD, they were wrong. It’s happened before.

    Second, peace officers do not have powers throughout the state. If you’ll look at the link above, “unless the Sheriff gives consent” you can read the actual law.

    If LAPD was there, and if the Sheriff gave consent, then they were effectively Deputy SB Sheriffs. If they weren’t there, they LAPD needs to get in front of the media and tell everyone they weren’t involved. Either way, the SB Sheriff-Coroner has some ‘splainin’ to do.

    In any case, what we saw and heard was a bunch of cops, out of control, burning a house down around the head of a suspect, and doing it on purpose. That’s murder.

  11. The post has been updated. The SB Sheriff’s department is making it clear that they SWAT team was theirs, not LAPD.

  12. “Numerous assault weapons were recovered as well as several semiautomatic handguns… one of which is a sniper rifle, a bolt action .308 caliber…”

    Hunters, your rifle is now a sniper rifle which is not needed for your Second Amendment right to hunt…