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Category Archives: Open Carry
In a new series, here is #1 on the list of things Joan Peterson, Board Member of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Ownership Violence and proprietress of Common Gunsense.
No Open Carry. The sight of a person carrying a firearm while not wearing a State issued uniform appears to be a huge bugaboo for Joan. Apparently she is so scared of the sight of firearms that she wants to ban open carry. Here’s the first instance of Open Carry discussion. Starbucks looked at the bottom line and realized that getting in the middle of a discussion about the limits of the 2nd Amendment wasn’t going to help them sell coffee. Their solution? Whatever is legal according to State law was legal in Starbucks. What does Joan think of Open Carry?
Those of us who are responding are only doing so because the OpenCarry.org group decided to flex their muscles and show up at Starbucks and other public places with their loaded guns. Should we stand by and watch this happen without a protest? That is surely what they want. As I have said before, they want to “normalize” the open carrying of loaded guns so that we get used to it. The next question is: Why should we get used to something so nonsensical?
When someone thinks it is perfectly O.K. to walk around in a public mall with his hand resting on his openly carried loaded gun, then something is very wrong with our gun culture.
In contrast to President Obama, the Open Carry folks choose to defend their rights by threatening and intimidating with their openly carried guns in public. It’s time for the rest of us to exericise our first amendment right to speak out against this potentially dangerous point of view before something tragic happens.
Waco confrontation ending in the loss of life on April 19th; Oklahoma City bombing on April 19th. It is not insignificant that the Open Carry/Second Amendment folks have chosen April 19th as their day to protest against the government.
Clearly Joan has an issue with open carry. Let me let you in on the secret. Open carry is designed to re-normalize the carry of firearms in public. For the last 50 years a concerted effort has been underway to portray gun owners as dangerous. If you never see a gun except carried by a police officer or in the movies and TV used by a criminal, you forget that the typical gun owner is your neighbor.
When normal average people see that gun owners are normal average people, the stereotypes start to fail. When your average non gun owning citizen realizes that “gun control” affects Bob down the street more than the criminals, he starts to question the value of “one more law.” That’s the real reason Joan Peterson and the rest of her Brady cronies are up in arms (pun intended) over Open Carry. They know in their black little hearts that unless they can keep Susie Jane housewife terrified of teh ebil gunnzzz, they are finished as an organization. It’s why anti-gun fanatics spazzed out when they saw Sarah Palin with a hunting rifle.
It is imperative that the gun grabbers keep their fellow citizens as far away from the truth as possible. One of the best ways to make them all cry is to join a local Open Carry group and learn how you can be a positive force for change in your area. Do like I did Saturday in Raleigh and attend an open carry dinner. When you have fellow diners come up and speak to you, laughing about how no robbers better show up, you will learn how little your neighbors actually fear guns. Hiding in the gun closet makes you think that you are alone, in the minority. You aren’t. You might be the leading edge, but there are plenty who will be willing to follow you.
Open Carry in California got a big boost when San Diego agreed to a settlement of $35,000 for improperly arresting a guy for (California) legal unloaded open carry. California has a weird law that requires the gun to be unloaded. You can still carry a separate magazine, ready to load, but the gun itself must be unloaded.
I hope that Madison, Wisconsin is paying attention.
Ht: Dave Hardy
Did you know that Wisconsin, along with Illinois, there is no legal provision for citizens to carry concealed weapons? In the old days, it was socially acceptable to carry a firearm openly, but it was considered “sneaky” to carry concealed. Times and social mores have changed. Now, many people are frightened of the sight of an openly carried weapon, unless carried by an authorized agent of the State. Since they never see the concealed weapon, most people are more comfortable with concealed carry. Wisconsin outlaws concealed carry, and permits open carry. A few days back, 5 guys were eating at a local establishment while openly carrying their pistols. Naturally, this pissed off the local constabulary. A lady saw the guns, called 911 and was told that open carry is legal, but the cops would be there directly to check it out. The normal thing with cops happened. Cops demanded ID, OC’ers refused. Cops threatened arrest, 2 still refused and were arrested, charged with obstructing, searched, traced, and released. In all actuality, they were charged with “Contempt of Cop.” They had audio recording during the arrest.
Eventually the police department realized that they have on their own website a PDF that says that refusing to give ID is not a crime. Rather than just tear it all up, apologize (grovel) a bit and hope to get off lightly, Madison PD decided to double down on stupid. They issued Disorderly Conduct tickets to all 5 OC’ers. This is where my favorite hoplophobe comes in.
Several weeks ago, some open carriers decided to enter a Culver’s restaurant in Madison with guns in holsters displayed openly. Needless to say, it was of such concern to some of the patrons that one called the police. Naturally, the police challenged the men to show their paperwork to prove that they were not felons. Several of the men stupidly refused. What did they expect? If everyone starts carrying guns around in public places, how will we know the bad guys from the good guys?
Here’s my comment on her blog. Let’s see if she posts it.
Would you like to listen to the 911 call?
In addition to being a 2nd Amendment fan, I am also a huge fan of the 4th Amendment. You know the one that says
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
You may not be aware of this, but a police officer is not empowered to demand your “papers, please.” He has to have a reasonable articulable suspicion of wrongdoing to justify even detaining these men. Since exercising a fundamental constitutional right can never be grounds for police harassment, I predict a large check will be issued to each of the 5 Madisonians who were unlawfully stopped, searched, and cited for a crime that not only did they not commit, but they could not have committed.